Things are happening in Poland that are of great interest to me and in my view, may change the way the Catholic Church is treated and perceived in that oh, so Catholic country.
I am of Polish heritage, do business in Poland and have visited the country on many occasions. I also am a religious history nut as you know, especially Christianity, Catholicism and their roles today.
Poland has always been VERY Catholic. The people were/ are totally brainwashed and manipulated by the Church in Poland. The Church IS part of the government even though not elected and holds enormous influence in all sectors of Polish life and always has.
Priests in Poland are like royalty, their hands kissed by old ladies, every wish met and boy do the live the high life; the best of everything paid for by the citizens of Poland, some who can not afford to give but MUST.
The first modern non-Italian Pope was a Pole. He was also credited with destroying Communism in Poland as well as contributing to its demise in general.
Under the many years of communist dictatorship in Poland, the Catholic Church stood firm in opposition to the godless bastards. Cardinal Wyszynski spent many years under arrest just because he would not give in to the communist government demands; he was a saint in the eyes of Poles.
Recently Cardinal Glemp, the primate of Poland for 25 years decided to retire. He appointed Archbishop Wielgus to take his place. Just before he was to be installed as the primate of Poland a newspaper accused him of serving as a spy for the Polish Communist Secret Police during the 1970s.
He denied it – they produced documents with his signatures – he confessed but said he did not inform on anyone, he just did it to get permission to study abroad.
The papers screamed LIAR and HYPOCRIT and ordinary Poles started getting up in church and saying GO TO HELL.
The Church organization started spinning the matter and said the MEDIA is making this all up and also forging papers (but he confessed). Glemp said to ‘forget about it’ – it means nothing.
The Vatican panicked and told Wielgus to resign / step down; someone else has to take his place. The Church called out all the brainwashed peasants telling them Media is “trying to destroy your Church”. The peasants went to the media capital, Warsaw and started rioting, beating up all who opposed them or the Church. The Archbishop resigned.
Let me throw in another related issue. Another Bishop named “Janusz” of all things, just resigned also. Documents were found that also implicated him cooperating with the secret police. He informed on people buying masses (prayers) to free Poland from the communist oppression. I wonder what the secret police did with those holy Poles praying for freedom. The Bishop obviously did not care he got what he wanted; whatever that was.
To understand the emotions this issue is bringing out in Poland you have to empathize a little. Here you are being oppressed by the communists and the only Polish institution standing up to them is the Church. Going to church is YOUR ONLY way to protest the occupation.
You go to confession because that what a good Catholic is suppose to do and you confess your sins or maybe even crimes against the state, to a holy man, a confidant that is on your side, the side of God who will eventually defeat the communists. Now you find out he may have gone to the secret police to tell them about your crimes or anything else you may have said against the state –wow – what a revelation. Do you see why Poles are PISSED?
My mother, who is very Catholic, is also pissed. She always considered priests as MEN who behaved like MEN. She continues to pray to the Virgin Mary because she can “trust her” to help her; priests and the Church cannot be counted on – they are after all, human creations.
I have been talking to my friends in Poland and they admit that this is BIG and may change how the Church operates in Poland. The Church is strong and has the brainless droids it controls. This should be quite exiting – more as the story develops.
I am of Polish heritage, do business in Poland and have visited the country on many occasions. I also am a religious history nut as you know, especially Christianity, Catholicism and their roles today.
Poland has always been VERY Catholic. The people were/ are totally brainwashed and manipulated by the Church in Poland. The Church IS part of the government even though not elected and holds enormous influence in all sectors of Polish life and always has.
Priests in Poland are like royalty, their hands kissed by old ladies, every wish met and boy do the live the high life; the best of everything paid for by the citizens of Poland, some who can not afford to give but MUST.
The first modern non-Italian Pope was a Pole. He was also credited with destroying Communism in Poland as well as contributing to its demise in general.
Under the many years of communist dictatorship in Poland, the Catholic Church stood firm in opposition to the godless bastards. Cardinal Wyszynski spent many years under arrest just because he would not give in to the communist government demands; he was a saint in the eyes of Poles.
Recently Cardinal Glemp, the primate of Poland for 25 years decided to retire. He appointed Archbishop Wielgus to take his place. Just before he was to be installed as the primate of Poland a newspaper accused him of serving as a spy for the Polish Communist Secret Police during the 1970s.
He denied it – they produced documents with his signatures – he confessed but said he did not inform on anyone, he just did it to get permission to study abroad.
The papers screamed LIAR and HYPOCRIT and ordinary Poles started getting up in church and saying GO TO HELL.
The Church organization started spinning the matter and said the MEDIA is making this all up and also forging papers (but he confessed). Glemp said to ‘forget about it’ – it means nothing.
The Vatican panicked and told Wielgus to resign / step down; someone else has to take his place. The Church called out all the brainwashed peasants telling them Media is “trying to destroy your Church”. The peasants went to the media capital, Warsaw and started rioting, beating up all who opposed them or the Church. The Archbishop resigned.
Let me throw in another related issue. Another Bishop named “Janusz” of all things, just resigned also. Documents were found that also implicated him cooperating with the secret police. He informed on people buying masses (prayers) to free Poland from the communist oppression. I wonder what the secret police did with those holy Poles praying for freedom. The Bishop obviously did not care he got what he wanted; whatever that was.
To understand the emotions this issue is bringing out in Poland you have to empathize a little. Here you are being oppressed by the communists and the only Polish institution standing up to them is the Church. Going to church is YOUR ONLY way to protest the occupation.
You go to confession because that what a good Catholic is suppose to do and you confess your sins or maybe even crimes against the state, to a holy man, a confidant that is on your side, the side of God who will eventually defeat the communists. Now you find out he may have gone to the secret police to tell them about your crimes or anything else you may have said against the state –wow – what a revelation. Do you see why Poles are PISSED?
My mother, who is very Catholic, is also pissed. She always considered priests as MEN who behaved like MEN. She continues to pray to the Virgin Mary because she can “trust her” to help her; priests and the Church cannot be counted on – they are after all, human creations.
I have been talking to my friends in Poland and they admit that this is BIG and may change how the Church operates in Poland. The Church is strong and has the brainless droids it controls. This should be quite exiting – more as the story develops.
Hello Jan and all,
ReplyDeleteIt is amazing that so many people still fail to understand the Machiavellan nature of the Vatican and Christian leaders throughout history. The Prince was inspired by Machiavelli's years working in the Vatican for the Borgia clan. Just as we have seen with the recent spate of revelations regarding the American religious right and the Republican party, religious and secular leadership have always conspired against the populations they jointly manipulate to gain wealth and power. Whether we look at Communism, Fascism, Democracies, or Monarchies, the leaders of most religions, but most especially the faiths of Abraham, are always in bed with those in power. While pretending to help those they preach to, these scoundrels are regularly involved in blatant deception and duplicity. Playing both sides of major conflicts and social schisms is how the Vatican and its cohorts have divided populations and governments throughout history.
The time is long past for those who still support these cabals of liars to get a clue about the true nature of the Vatican and religion in general. These people have never been trustworthy and little has changed throughout history.
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